Such a great read!!!
That’s true. Or at least they sound or look similar.
Like queréis and querés are pretty similar.
The only reason I can understand not having el voseo taught is that some tenses that are el voseo look like tú: quisiste is preterite for both vos and tú.
Vosotros is a little bit different with quisisteis.
It’s mostly the present voseo and the affirmative command voseo that’s different.
The thing about “only use it in European Spanish” is that it’s a little bit of a misnomer and it kind of skews some important facts about European Spanish
- Spain has a population of about 47 million people
- Meaning that the vast majority of these 47 million people (which I’m not sure if it extends to the Canary Islands or Mallorca/Menorca) use vosotros
- In addition to this number, vosotros is typically used in very legal settings in some countries in Latin America. Sometimes contracts use vosotros language because it sounds very official.
- Spain is also involved in film/cinema which means you’ll probably end up seeing a Spanish film at some point if you study Spanish long enough
- Most of the “classics” of Spanish are written before the 19th century and they tend to use the vosotros in them; sometimes even in Latin America. Spain’s literature and media still uses vosotros as far as I know.
- This means that if you’re planning on studying Spanish and Spanish literature, you’ll end up encountering the vosotros forms more than you would think
- In addition to that, most other Romance Languages have a form like vosotros that is taught; French, Italian… and so on. Even Russian and German have forms like this. Older English had “thou” and “thee” in addition to “you” but now they sound antiquated; English is more the exception, not the rule.
I don’t know how often I would actually use vosotros since I was taught with ustedes for most of my life; but the inability to understand or recognize vosotros is a bigger hindrance than you’d think - which becomes more apparent the further into Spanish studies you go.
Now, I’m totally on board with the voseo being taught. Or at least mentioned. Because it isn’t just Argentina that uses something like that, but Argentina is pretty famous for it.
But just keep in mind that Argentina has 41 million+ people.
I’m not trying to draw a comparison between Spain and Argentina in terms of numbers, my point is in saying that MILLIONS of native Spanish speakers are using vosotros and el voseo and it isn’t being taught for the most part.
I think the only time I’ve seen the voseo is in WordReference’s conjugation charts. And the vosotros forms are typically put into a different section of a book or not emphasized at all.
I agree with you; voseo should be taught or at least mentioned. But voseo and vosotros are kind of in the same boat there for me. Because they exist and they’re used by MILLIONS of people.
I feel like being a language pattern shared by millions of people earns at least an honorable mention.
Just a little addendum regarding the use of “vosotros” and “ustedes” in Spain:
I’m sure that most people from the Balearic Islands (which aren’t just Mallorca and Menorca!) would use “vosotros” in informal contexts. Canarians do use “ustedes” (even though they use “tú” when referring to a single person).
The use of “ustedes” instead of “vosotros” (again, in informal contexts) is also extended to some parts of Andalusia, such as Cádiz. Funnily enough, they conjugate verbs as if they used “vosotros”, resulting in things like “ustedes estáis”. Combined with their accent, it sounds rather odd to someone who’s not from there :P
(Of course, you’re right about the Balearic Islands; I’m only really familiar with Mallorca and Menorca, but that was a misstep on my part)
I think that’s interesting with the ustedes being used with the vosotros but that’s completely understandable and probably more correct.
Because Usted comes from Vuestra Merced “your mercy” literally, but it’s actually like, “Your Grace” or “Your Honor/Lordship/Ladyship” [in modern day it’s more Su/Vuestra Señoría; which is “Your Honor” in a courtroom. That gets abbreviated to v.s. or sometimes v.s.i for Vuestra Señoría Ilustrísima “your most exalted lordship”].
And by extension ustedes meaning “you all” comes from vuestras mercedes.
Love Spanish puns!
and the award for the best way to avoid an embarrassing moment goes to
After my reblog yesterday, there were some comments about the use of “language evolution” to refer to the development of the be-like quotative marker.
Another sign of language change: People start using “language evolution" when they…
#yeah the best pat about the episode is that they pointed out the things that were wrong with modern sitcoms#especially in regards to sexism#but the topped it off with like#listen#people like these shows for a reason#they are really comforting and chaming even if they have some dumb attributes#and our sitcom is weird and a lot of people don’ like it because its not like those shows#or can’t get into it because its not over the top cutsey and we are gross and shit#but we aren’t gonna fully revel in the fact that we are unique#because yeah our show is sifferent than what else is out there#because different doesn’t mean better or like everything else out there is trash#it just means we are different and we are lucky that there are people out there that love us for that#i could feel the guys channeling dan harmon in this episode i swear to god#probably one of the best sitcom episodes of all time imo#just for the social/media commentary (via theongreyjoy)
In case anybody is curious or needs an explanation, F.E.A.R stands for Focus Sash - Endeavor - Attack - Rattata. Try it out like this:
Enter a battle with any Pokemon (preferably a high-level Pokemon so that you’re more impressed) using your Rattata, equipped with a Focus Sash, as your starter. Use Endeavor. Because of its low level, the other Pokemon will attack first, leaving your Rattata with 1 HP (because of the Focus Sash). Rattata will then use Endeavor, which brings the enemy Pokemon’s health down to 1 HP as well. Then use Quick Attack, and watch your level 1 Rattata defeat a level 70 Lugia and gain like a zillion quadrillion experience points from it.
FUCK YEAH, RATTATA
I don’t like sports, but the Bearcats are my new favorite team.
I love how it gets more elaborate each time. These boys are thinking this through.
This is my favorite post of all time
Gayle, your comment is attached to a post that just came onto my dash! :D
i bet stiles is looking at derek in the reflection of his laptop